"[IT] Management and Sales is down 3.6 percent for the month, and 4 percent for the year. 20 percent of ads are in that sector so I think we are seeing a lot more pain in hardware, retail sales, and corporate sales are coming off a bit as well as organisations look at their capital expenditure."

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Their just hedging bets, I've seen articles say both the sky is falling, and the sky is the limit, sometimes even in the same publication on the same day.

It's no different to what is currently going on in the financial markets, and there is a good reason they do it. It creates uncertainty, that them makes it easier for employers to hold onto good people, get rid of not so good people, and lower the wages down.

Nothing like a bit of panic to create the exact sort of market the big wigs like to trade in, one of their own design.

BTW This is happening in just about all markets, because most markets are now free from safeguards. Thanks gov'ts of the world...

Oh yeah....those IT certs will save you :)

Big dipper

Gloomy, get a grip

I've worked in three continents, earned more at 25 than my father earned at 60, spent loads of money and had a ball in my 20's and now the money i earn is paying for my quality Sydney lifestyle plus i'm saving 4K per month. All for programming 8 hours a day, a hobby i started 23 years ago.

Like i've said before, IT at the top end is great matey. You clearly fell into the lower leagues of droogs that got into it on the web boom. You deserve all you got. The only people i hear whinging are not doing well. A lot of people are doing well out of IT and are making hay while the sun shines

Hold on just a sec there, brownie.

This sounds a lot like what I posted recently.

However, you thought I was full of sh1t in my post for "Is there age discrimination in IT?" .

What gives?

Yeah, IT is excellent. You sit in an office for 8hrs coding (and doing "research" on the web), and get payed well for it.

Not sure about all this doom and gloom. Can't say we are too worried, given we just got another investment property. 10 more years, and at about 43 retire. Don't you just love IT. :-)).

Yeah, saving 4K is about right Brownie. Quite easy to do that, and still have a good lifestyle.

Quite easy to save $4k/month even if you're not got a coke habbit; mortgage or dependents and work in IT. No need to be earning $1k/day for this. I'm with Brownie, though am envious of your rate Laz.

You losers have got the blinkers on. Can you not see the tidal wave coming? Read the overseas press. Mass layoffs in the financial and IT sectors happening all over the place. Do you think you're immune? The big Aussie jobs cleanout is just starting.

I was commenting on your bullsh1t $1000/day rate. What I said was that you cant get that for programming in Australia. You can't. If you are claiming that you are lying. Caveat-unless you are doing a niche european (banking) skill.

Gloomy, don't you remember the recession in the mid-90's? And then the dot com shakeout? Lots of us remained in work through both. I remember it was the deadwood that got laid off.

Finance and IT is so interlinked they cannot operate without IT people.

No, I'm not lying about my rate. Then again, I suppose I can't prove it either ...

I can see where you're coming from: I have never seen a $1k per day programmer. BUT - I am not a programmer. No coding. Nup. None.

Not long ago, however, I was coding - BUT it was somewhere else and for $800pd. Yes, that is a very good rate but others were getting about $900pd with one guy on $750pd. I knew these guys before they joined and "advised" them what they *could* get - and they did!

The coding was around (specialised) "Integration stuff". Not too many (good) guys in this particular market. Hell, even the crappy junior (who knew nothing) got $600pd - but he only lasted 6 months and is now in (*chuckle*) Canberra.

The rate was agreed based on me coming in as an architect and (*sigh*) sometime later they needed me to just "pitch-in" and code. This is why I have switched roles/company (and rate). The $900pd guys came in as team leaders - only to now "stoop" to coding. Yes, they are now looking around for other opportunities.

As I have mentioned in my other posts, the team was/is struggling to meet demand and everyone is either jumping in or jumping ship. Timing and luck. And leverage.

By the way, when asked to code, the managment team (probably rightly) asked us to reduce our rates. Which is another reason why I'm now here. (They had no leverage)

I have never been on my current rate before and am (of course) happy with it. But there is always someone out there getting more (or less) than me so I'm not here to brag.

I got this role through word of mouth. The project here did not advertise for the numerous positions to be filled as everyone was more or less "linked in".

So to tie this back to the topic heading; IT job ads may be falling partly because, in some markets, word of mouth is better.

Bye bye Laz, brownie, spotted dick and all the other IT losers - your train out of IT has just pulled into the station.

No more Aussie's writing code

Cool!! More work!!!.

First of all there will be work on the analysis side, so the Indians can code it. Then there will be even more work in fixing up all the crap code that they write. We're in the money!!.

..and then the "non UK European" professionals come in and correct the low quality crap that the (in most other aspects great and wonderful) Aussies put together.

Hint: UK is not = Europe (and is not considered to be a particularly innovative IT nation either, so pleae, my beloved Aussie mates - don't compare everything to the UK, PLEASE!)

Toot toot

Routines in software become so common and generic that eventually competition (capitalistic, academic or otherwise) makes it easier to acquire software at lower prices to do the same tasks it takes more expensive IT workers to do. Say, wasn't this the whole point of software to begin with?

Who would have thought in the 90's that you could have your own E-commerce site set up for free thanks to frameworks like Joomla and DotNetNuke, for example? Or install a free operating system like Ubuntu that do pretty much everything that Windows can do?

Even if it costs the cheapest programmer $1/hour to do the same thing that can be automated with free software, it seems that managers would choose the free automation and oust even the poorest paid programmer.

Gloomyshoe now mad tech researches 24/7. Best one concentrate on medicals career than IT worrys. Leave to industry big guns ie Leopard's and Brownie's. Dr Gloomy best prepare service big man customer of bad gas problem. Coding fun in compare to examinations.

GL

Industry Big Gun

I conclude that Gloomy has invented his new medical status.

Nobody that displays such pathological tendancies could become a Doctor.

The plot thickens. This dude is mental!?

Hey Gloomy,

Which cereal box... I mean university are you getting your medical degree from?

Does it come with free steak knives?

I agree, the guy is a loony, a nut, loco.

He is a big poster in this site while he hates IT. I agree with GL.Leave it to the big guns of the like of Brownie, GL and Me.

There is no bull****:

We are heading into a recession and for those of you that haven't been through one hold on the dot.com bust was a ripple...

$1000 p.d? If you have very specialised skills $1200-$1500 per day is not out of the question but you might not work full-time (some do). At that rate most don't need too!

These are Ausies getting these rates in Australia!

...of Gloomy, graduate-entry medical studies are not that "hectic" load-wise compared to the standard undergraduate curriculum. Graduate-entry medicine is mostly "problem-based" learning which means, you and an assigned bunch of classmates do some reading up on a weekly case and find plausible causes and treatments - the tutor then grades the collective output. Rote-learning is a thing of the past here.

Thus it is no surprise if Gloomy has the time to do what he does here. He needs the writing practice for his many reports. ;)

In fact, studying graduate-entry medicine is probably less hectic and far less pressured than trying to elk a living in Oz IT or working in it.

In some ways, I find it interesting that some of the self-proclaimed, "globe-trotting, handsomely-paid ICT experts" here actually find the time to consistently post in this forum even during office hours. The only people in "IT" with such time are the unemployed/underemployed & on the dole, the ICT recruiters and soon-to-be-fired ICT "academics" still spruiking ICT to save their careers.

Hope this helps.